WILLALL WR35TM, Who's going to switch? Options

[dukestar]

I'd like to start a new thread that keeps track of GTR owners who switch to WILLALL WR35TM.

I'm thinking about it even though I am under warranty and have not (to my knowledge) voided my warranty.

Here's my thought process.

If I use the OEM fluid and operate the vehicle as per the owners manual then I don't believe that I will experience a transmission failure during the warranty period. However, by doing so I will increase the likelihood of a failure outside of the warranty period because the transmission will experince excessive wear and tear.

If I switch to WR35TM and operate the vehicle as per the owners manual then, again, I believe I will not experience a failure during the warranty period BUT I will reduce the likelihood of a failure outside of the warranty period since the wear and tear will be significantly reduced.

So, I'd like to know who is planning on switching and if you are thinking about this the way I am.

[Martin Donnon]

So, I'd like to know who is planning on switching and if you are thinking about this the way I am.

Have switched already, and for similar reasons

[jmunjr]

Are there any warranty implications by switching? I don't want to void my warranty by switching.

[Cashman]

I will as soon as it is available in the states. It’s quite obvious that in order for Nissan to get the car in at the price they wanted it to be at, they cheeped out on some things. Trans fluid absolutely being one of those.

[toprpm]

How would they know?

[dukestar]

How would they know?

Color? One's red the other is green (or black by the time they look at it)...

[elpasogtr]

im sure this was mentioned but where can you buy the trans oil?
Thanks

[dukestar]

im sure this was mentioned but where can you buy the trans oil?
Thanks

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?sh...0&start=140

[NickTO]

Working over shipping costs with WillAll over email to get a 60L drum to Toronto. I'll have enough so share some with other fellow Canadians if they want to get some.

[bgnnh]

I have ordered 10 liters. Would someone recommend a lab to replicate the tests Martin documented in the other thread? I want to know this is adding life to the trans and there is a reduction in metal particles in the fluid. If someone can propose other useful tests, including temp measurements I'm open to suggestions (sorry no LC use).

And screw the warrantee, I want my trans to still be working at 100K miles vs. breaking just after the power-train warrantee is expired. This is just me and I know others will think I'm nuts for changing the fluids but I'll be happy to share the results so we can all benefit. Worst case I'm out 1 transmission, I can deal with that.

[NickTO]

I have ordered 10 liters. Would someone recommend a lab to replicate the tests Martin documented in the other thread? I want to know this is adding life to the trans and there is a reduction in metal particles in the fluid. If someone can propose other useful tests, including temp measurements I'm open to suggestions (sorry no LC use).

And screw the warrantee, I want my trans to still be working at 100K miles vs. breaking just after the power-train warrantee is expired. This is just me and I know others will think I'm nuts for changing the fluids but I'll be happy to share the results so we can all benefit. Worst case I'm out 1 transmission, I can deal with that.

You can buy a kit from Amsoil here: http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/oai.aspx

The analysis is done by Oil Analyzers Inc. (OAI) . http://www.oaitesting.com/

[dukestar]

And screw the warrantee, I want my trans to still be working at 100K miles vs. breaking just after the power-train warrantee is expired. This is just me and I know others will think I'm nuts for changing the fluids but I'll be happy to share the results so we can all benefit. Worst case I'm out 1 transmission, I can deal with that.

My sentiments exactly. I don't doubt that the OEM fluid will result in the tranny lasting 5yrs/60k. But what about after that period expires? If we can deploy a fluid that prolongs that life span with no or minimal downside on performance then why wouldn't you switch?

[jmunjr]

My sentiments exactly. I don't doubt that the OEM fluid will result in the tranny lasting 5yrs/60k. But what about after that period expires? If we can deploy a fluid that prolongs that life span with no or minimal downside on performance then why wouldn't you switch?

Seeing how particular and restrictive Nissan has been about everything I would like to see something happen where Nissan allows us to use this fluid. If so and it is proven to work long term then I'll be on board as well.

[Kunani]

Just visited my Nissan tech. Says this will void the trans warranty immediately. So now I need to make a decision

[dukestar]

Just visited my Nissan tech. Says this will void the trans warranty immediately. So now I need to make a decision

No surprise there. So this means if you do go down this road you'll need to either accept that the warranty is void or try and replace the WILLALL with the original fluid before taking it in for service. Tough call. I honestly don'y know which way to go at this point.

It pisses me off that Nissan puts owners in this predicament. They should analyze the WILLALL oil and certify it or reject it and provide scientific reasons for their rejection if that is what they choose to do.

[jmunjr]

Just visited my Nissan tech. Says this will void the trans warranty immediately. So now I need to make a decision

My service manager asked Nissan about a mid pipe and their response was "Any modification can void the warranty." So I guess my car's warranty is in jeopardy since I put clear corners on it... In the tranny fluid's case I could see a more credible argument about and transmission's failure being due to unapproved transmission fluid. If you put the wrong transmission fluid in your Altima the warranty can be denied as well.

[d-pak]

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This post has been edited by d-pak: Oct 26 2009, 08:06 PM

[GZire]

Are there any warranty implications by switching? I don't want to void my warranty by switching.

If your trans fails, then I'd say yes Nissan will not cover the replacement of the transmission.

What we really need to confirm is if the fluid alone is the reason why the LC/extreme usage is producing the gear failures. If this is the case, I'd switch immediately. If it isn't then I'll be on my own if the gears get ripped apart. Something to think about.

[Neanderthal Raci...]

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When you know your rights, you will be in a position to tactfully educate whomever tries to tell you your warranty has been or will be voided simply because you install some aftermarket part. Dealers and some manufacturers have used scare tactics. Even blanket statements that performing any modifications to the vehicle voids the manufacturers may be invalid. The point is you should know the law. If you have not taken time to read up on the issue, I strongly recommend doing so when you get a chance. One morning, grab some coffee and pull up a chair and read this because it just might come in handy when the dealer tries to wrongfully deny you warranty coverage.


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This post has been edited by Neanderthal Racing: Nov 12 2008, 09:21 PM

[descartesfool]

I would use Pentosin FFL-4. Years and years of research to design factory fill for VW's first DCT (FFL-2 fluid) and then onto FFL-3 fluid for Porsche and finally the latest generation fluid which is factory fill for the new M3's DCT. Can't beat years of research by a company full of laboratories who only makes automotive fluids under contract from some of the world's best automotive manufacturers. PhD guy I discussed this with has worked for over 25 years in the labs at Pentosin and he led the design on the fluid for VW and he continues work onto the newest latest fluids.