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gripforce-gtr
Over the last few weeks my car developed a somewhat loud 'ticking'
noise from left front wheel when turning (right turn only).
When I'm parking it's loud enough that everyone start turning heads
and it's really embarrassing because I feel like I'm driving a broken car.

The car was taken to two different dealers but both found nothing
abnormal. Both dealers swear that it's the type noise that all GTR has
but I'm wondering why it's making the noise when turning right not left
also why was the noise not present until the car had 3500mi.

I will post a video clip tomorrow so it can be explained better.
I'm determined to find out what the noise is and if anyone can help
diagnose the problem I'd appreciate it. Any fellow GTR owners who
also had a similar problem, let's hear it.

Thanks,
Gregory
MC
is it anything like this?

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?sh...mp;#entry430289
gripforce-gtr
Here is a crappy video of 'clicking noise' from front brakes when turning.
Does loose tie rod nuts sound anything like this? If not, what the hell
is this noise? The noise is even louder in person... :xZ!o:

wrxgrillin
dont know but i can tell u my gtr doesnt sound like that. I did notice the car looks lowered that might have something to do with it
Martin Donnon
Sounds like a pebble caught in the brakes to me............
Kislik
we had same problem here, change oil in diff and You should be fine...
celsius
Just thinking, but listening to the video and reading your description. Sounds like a CV problem, kinda like what Hondas experience...hopefully, I'm wrong.
gripforce-gtr
No pebbles there... again two dealers found nothing abnormal after a 'thorough' inspection mad.gif

QUOTE (Martin Donnon @ Jun 9 2009, 01:11 AM) *
Sounds like a pebble caught in the brakes to me............
gripforce-gtr
Mentioned fluids have been changed at 3000mi (current mileage is 3800mi)
The car has never been tracked nor driven hard except a few passes at the
local drag strip.

QUOTE (Kislik @ Jun 9 2009, 03:59 AM) *
we had same problem here, change oil in diff and You should be fine...
gripforce-gtr
The car isn't lowered.
Everything is stock except Cobb AP, HKS midpipe and Tanabe Catbacks.

QUOTE (wrxgrillin @ Jun 9 2009, 12:56 AM) *
dont know but i can tell u my gtr doesnt sound like that. I did notice the car looks lowered that might have something to do with it
gripforce-gtr
No CV problem according to the two dealers I've been to.
What bothers me more is how the hell both dealers claiming that
the noise is perfectly normal? And guess what the reaction from
the GTR tech when they first saw it. 'Oh Sh**, did you run into
a curb? I've driven more than 10+ GTRs but never seen or heard
anything like this'... wtf.gif

I'm going to try another dealer hoping we can get to the bottom
of this.

QUOTE (celsius @ Jun 9 2009, 05:35 AM) *
Just thinking, but listening to the video and reading your description. Sounds like a CV problem, kinda like what Hondas experience...hopefully, I'm wrong.
thebishman
Man that is bad. Hard to believe a dealer would call that 'normal'.

Definitely check the torque specs for the tie rod nuts that the earlier post referred to. If they're loose perhaps its the cause of that ticking.

Bish
Bullo
My car makes similar sound. I haven't looked into it, but it does make a sound when I turn at lower speeds.
Tboy911
My car makes the same noise 6800mi. I was planning on taking it in to the dealer but havent yet.
weaksauce
Mines make a clicking noise only when I turn right. I park in a parking garage at work and I can hear it only when I turn right not when turning left. I brought it to the dealer when I did the first POS and they said they could find anything wrong.
mabcrna
QUOTE (weaksauce @ Jun 9 2009, 03:12 PM) *
Mines make a clicking noise only when I turn right. I park in a parking garage at work and I can hear it only when I turn right not when turning left. I brought it to the dealer when I did the first POS and they said they could find anything wrong.



Mine makes a clicking noise turning right as well. Only hear it in the parking garage at my job. I was told there was nothing wrong by my dealer too.

Mark
gotboost
QUOTE (mabcrna @ Jun 10 2009, 05:33 AM) *
Mine makes a clicking noise turning right as well. Only hear it in the parking garage at my job. I was told there was nothing wrong by my dealer too.

Mark


Yea, and Kunani had a noise too, (his was the rear diff), and the dealer's said it was normal after numerous visits. Now the car is broken and Nissan is denying warranty on it saying he has to replace his complete trans at the cost of 28K. Reason for denial......2 LC-1 launches and a reflashed ECU!!!!

All I can say is Nissan better get their shit together.
Oo oO
QUOTE (gotboost @ Jun 10 2009, 10:22 AM) *
Yea, and Kunani had a noise too, (his was the rear diff), and the dealer's said it was normal after numerous visits. Now the car is broken and Nissan is denying warranty on it saying he has to replace his complete trans at the cost of 28K. Reason for denial......2 LC-1 launches and a reflashed ECU!!!!

All I can say is Nissan better get their shit together.


You know this is why for certain? He does have a lot of mods (including nitrous) etc maybe the data showed high temps or mods pointed towards stresses/wear and tear on the systems beyond spec. Did he use stock fluids, have all maint done etc? One thing I have learned is modding is always a risk and can really complicate things, even changing wheels has been a headache in the past and is why I advocate keeping the stock ones for service.

If there is a chance the clicking is the diff it is as good a time as any to put in new fluid, perhaps test the used stuff or keep some in the event you have future issues.
MrAlien
this sounds like a diff, I have blown many diffs on the track I know that sound
Chinaski
That "it's normal" crap is too reminiscent of the assholes at BMW, not what I like to hear at all.

You need to go back to a dealer, tell them it's unacceptable and tell them to schedule you an appointment when their Nissan regional rep is there. If they refuse then call Nissan NA directly.
gotboost
QUOTE (Oo oO @ Jun 10 2009, 10:37 AM) *
You know this is why for certain? He does have a lot of mods (including nitrous) etc maybe the data showed high temps or mods pointed towards stresses/wear and tear on the systems beyond spec. Did he use stock fluids, have all maint done etc? One thing I have learned is modding is always a risk and can really complicate things, even changing wheels has been a headache in the past and is why I advocate keeping the stock ones for service.

If there is a chance the clicking is the diff it is as good a time as any to put in new fluid, perhaps test the used stuff or keep some in the event you have future issues.


Kunani DOES NOT have nitrous. The tank in his back seat is a cryo system for his intercooler. It holds CO2. When you activate a solenoid, it sprays CO2 onto to the surface of the intercooler cores to lower the intake air temperature.
Oo oO
QUOTE (gotboost @ Jun 10 2009, 03:03 PM) *
Kunani DOES NOT have nitrous. The tank in his back seat is a cryo system for his intercooler. It holds CO2. When you activate a solenoid, it sprays CO2 onto to the surface of the intercooler cores to lower the intake air temperature.


Sorry if I was incorrect, I just based it off his list as posted:

Exterior:

Color Matched Lower Body Panels
Color Matched Rear Diffuser
Auto Select Devil Front Carbon Splitter/Lip
Auto Select Carbon Canards
Auto Select Carbon Bumper Panel
Moonface Red Tow Hook
AIT Racing Carbon Hood w/Paint Matched Sides, Matte black underhood.
Black Tint All Windows

Aeromotions AM Computer Controlled Split Carbon Wing (In Ref to 1968 JGP Winning R381)

- First one! Customized exactly for GT-R. End plates customized to match rear window shapes "Swords Edge". Tied to ECU, measures position of car, angle, G force, speed, etc to dynamically adjust wing downforce and reduce drag. Wing tested over 200MPH.

Interior:

Bride Gias Maziora Race Seats (Red/Black Inserts/Purple/Green Maziora)
Schroth ASM Silver Racing Harnesses
Custom Welded/Designed Removable Harness Bar
Custom Video Display Hack by Adrey
Nos Brand 10lb Polished Bottle for Cryo
Nos Launcher Computer (Auto Control Cryo of Intercooler at Specific RPM Points)
Mobile WIFI Hot Spot (3G high speed WIFI N/G net access within 300 feet of car)

Wheels/Suspension:

20" RAYS Gram Lights 57GT Matte Black (9.5 and 10.5 rear)
20" Volk GT-C Matte Black Center, Polished Lip (Custom Offsets)
Rays Lightweight Aluminum Racing Lug Nuts
Falken FK-452 Tires (245/40 and 275/35 F/R)
Yokohama Advan Sport (245/40 and 275/35 F/R)
Pirelli PZero Tires (255/40 and 285/35)
JRZ Triple Race Coilovers
Swift Race Springs
Cobb Upgraded Sway Bars
Ferodo DS2500 Brake Pads front and back
Motul RBF 600 Racing Brake Fluid
Modified Brake Cooling and Diffusers

Engine:

Dual ARC Intercoolers
Nos Snake Spray Bar
Turbosmart Dual Port BOVs
Samco White Hoses
Upgraded Clamps/T-Bolts
Cobb AP Custom Tune Stage 2 100 Octane
XS Race Battery
XS Billet Aluminum Battery Mount
K&N Air Filters
Amuse Titanium Exhaust + Race Cats (Burnt Blue/Purple/Gold Tips + Canister)
gripforce-gtr
Finally dropped off my car at the dealer.
One of a fellow GTR owner from NAGTROC gave me an referral so I got a VIP (?)
treatment from the dealer. So far, the overall experience has been great. The
tech seemed to be knowledgeable about the car unlike other dealers.
After a few drives in the parking lot, the tech was able to troubleshoot the noise.
The noise was coming from the front brake calipers. He said he won't jump into
a conclusion until he removes the brake components to confirm his diagnosis but
he is almost sure that the one of the tension springs inside the caliper is missing
causing the noise.
If that's true, here is a kicker. He thinks that the springs couldn't have fall out of
calipers but rather it came like that from factory!!! ohmy.gif
If anyone who has similar problem, I suggest taking your car to the dealer and
have them inspect the calipers (thoroughly)
I will keep you posted once he opens her up and report this to NNA.
gotboost
QUOTE (Oo oO @ Jun 10 2009, 03:28 PM) *
Sorry if I was incorrect, I just based it off his list as posted:



The NOS snake spraybar is tubing that snakes around the outside of the intercooler spraying CO2 at the intercooler. See also the NOS cryo controller to spray the intercooler in various programmable intervals. smile.gif
aliasvfx
QUOTE (gripforce-gtr @ Jun 10 2009, 03:52 PM) *
Finally dropped off my car at the dealer.
One of a fellow GTR owner from NAGTROC gave me an referral so I got a VIP (?)
treatment from the dealer.




Hehe..... VIP treatment smile.gif I just hope they fix your problem ! Was good meeting ya ! Btw....... what rental did u end up getting ?
gripforce-gtr
Was good meeting you as well... They put me in a Frontier Quad Cab.
BTW, I'm really digging the wheels&tires setup of yours. thumb.gif


QUOTE (aliasvfx @ Jun 10 2009, 04:25 PM) *
Hehe..... VIP treatment smile.gif I just hope they fix your problem ! Was good meeting ya ! Btw....... what rental did u end up getting ?
gripforce-gtr
Here is a latest update on the 'Ticking/Clicking' noise.
Took the car in for the third time and the tech immediately found where
the noise was coming from. After going thru several dealers, finally a tech
(Robert) from Cerritos Nissan was able to troubleshoot. All it was a missing
spring inside the front brake caliper.

But here is a problem. The Nissan is debating(?) whether they should fix it or
not. Why? first of all, they've never had 'Ticking/Clicking' noise issue with
any GTR sold. Also they disagree with the diagnose from GTR tech. Nissan is
claiming that they left the part out intentionally for some reason hence no
GTR came from factory has it. The dealer and I called this BS so we did
everything we can do to get to the bottom of this.

Finally, the NNA responded and a tech from Tennessee (NNA HQ) will be flying
in on Monday. I hope Nissan steps up and fix the problem and possibly do a recall
since I hear more owners complaining with the same issue. I will keep you all
posted.

BTW, I want to mention that the experience with Cerritos Nissan and Robert
(GTR tech) has been top notch and I strongly recommend this dealer to
everyone here in So Cal.
aliasvfx
Stopped by yesterday to drop off my car and heard pretty much the same thing. I hope they resolve your issue quickly. Robert seemed pretty busy trying to figure out your situation so I told em Id come back on Tuesday to do my service. Lemme know when u go back or hear anything new !
speedracer
Mines is doing the same shit.
evo2gtr
my car has the same noises from both sides when turning either way. worst part is, it started when it was brand new, 23 miles!! I have taken it to Alhambra Nissan to fix it once, but they didn't resolve and like other dealers, they have no idea what's causing the click noises. Anyone here planning to find a lemon law attorney??

could this be a differential problem? I doubt the noises is caused by the brake pads retention springs....
gripforce-gtr
Good news everyone,
Finally got the car back and the noise is GONE!!!!
Anyone with the similar noise, you should take your
car to the dealer and have them installed the missing
clip from the factory. I was surprised that an easy fix
like this took three GTR techs and dealers to figure
out. doh.gif

Big thanks to Robert and Ed at Cerritos Nissan for
taking extra steps to get the problem resolved.

I'm a happy camper now biggrin.gif
R T
... so was this truly a "missing" spring or do none of the cars (except yours) have it like Nissan claimed initially?????????
Chinaski
QUOTE (R T @ Jun 19 2009, 08:00 PM) *
... so was this truly a "missing" spring or do none of the cars (except yours) have it like Nissan claimed initially?????????



Also, did that tech fly in from Tennessee to look at the car?
aliasvfx
QUOTE (gripforce-gtr @ Jun 19 2009, 04:16 PM) *
Good news everyone,
Finally got the car back and the noise is GONE!!!!
Anyone with the similar noise, you should take your
car to the dealer and have them installed the missing
clip from the factory. I was surprised that an easy fix
like this took three GTR techs and dealers to figure
out. doh.gif

Big thanks to Robert and Ed at Cerritos Nissan for
taking extra steps to get the problem resolved.

I'm a happy camper now biggrin.gif




Glad to hear the issue was resolved ! Robert over at Cerritos has always been reliable. When I went to drop off my car last Wednesday, had a chat with Felipe and Robert regarding your situation and the Nissan Tech. Give me a call whenever u get a chance so we can compare notes to what Robert was saying and what Nissan Tech did. There is some inside political crap that went on mad.gif
Mr.nissan
QUOTE (aliasvfx @ Jun 19 2009, 10:11 PM) *
Glad to hear the issue was resolved ! Robert over at Cerritos has always been reliable. When I went to drop off my car last Wednesday, had a chat with Felipe and Robert regarding your situation and the Nissan Tech. Give me a call whenever u get a chance so we can compare notes to what Robert was saying and what Nissan Tech did. There is some inside political crap that went on mad.gif



nissan cant wait untill our warranty runs out. they will see a problem an ignore it hoping it can last out so they can start getting the big money for repairs. why you think they void any gtr that has mods? an they told us dont touch it from the gate when they know this car was made for it. thats why nobody knows the limit to the motor because when you do find out it will be $38,000 for a new one just my 2 cents. but when you come across a dealer like these guys stick with em.
evo2gtr
QUOTE (gripforce-gtr @ Jun 19 2009, 04:16 PM) *
Good news everyone,
Finally got the car back and the noise is GONE!!!!
Anyone with the similar noise, you should take your
car to the dealer and have them installed the missing
clip from the factory. I was surprised that an easy fix
like this took three GTR techs and dealers to figure
out. doh.gif

Big thanks to Robert and Ed at Cerritos Nissan for
taking extra steps to get the problem resolved.

I'm a happy camper now biggrin.gif


I am glad that your noise problem is fixed... smile.gif
but wait a few days and see if the noises are really gone!

my car had these noises from both sides ever since it's new...
I've been to two different dealers for the same problem for quite a few times. However, their solutions normally won't last more than 2 days! the "click click" noises always come back at the second day. My 2010 comes with 1 pads ratainer clip on each side, and it still makes noises. I really don't think the missing clips are causing the noises, otherewise there will be more 09 GTRs with similar problem.
Now, did the "Nissan engineer" explains to you why it happens only when the car is turning? And exactly what's causing the noises? ie, the pads touching another part?? Correct me if I am wrong here... because the retainer clip is used to push the pads in it's place, so unless the pads are touching/rubbing other parts, this retainer clip won't solve the problem... furious.gif
aliasvfx
QUOTE (gripforce-gtr @ Jun 19 2009, 04:16 PM) *
Good news everyone,
Finally got the car back and the noise is GONE!!!!
Anyone with the similar noise, you should take your
car to the dealer and have them installed the missing
clip from the factory. I was surprised that an easy fix
like this took three GTR techs and dealers to figure
out. doh.gif

Big thanks to Robert and Ed at Cerritos Nissan for
taking extra steps to get the problem resolved.

I'm a happy camper now biggrin.gif




Hey Gripforce

Can u do me a favor and call me or Robert Miller from Cerritos. He just got done calling me and wanted to know if there was any more issues to your problem. From what I heard, the nissan tech tried a few different things to no avail and then finally caved in and listened to Roberts suggestion on those springs !
aliasvfx
Talked to gripforce.......looks like the problem has not returned. Those of u with thus clicking noise should call their Gtr mechanic and refer to this thread !!
Oo oO
Does the work order list any part numbers/other specifics?
aliasvfx
QUOTE (Oo oO @ Jun 24 2009, 04:25 PM) *
Does the work order list any part numbers/other specifics?



good question, hoping he will chime in on this and give his .2 cents smile.gif
Glenn
In this picture of the front caliper from the Edmunds long term GT-R test, you can see the lower retaining spring against the lower bridge bolt. Was this missing? I noticed that in this picture and also in the maintenance manual that there is no retaining spring against the upper bridge bolt. Is this the one they added to make the noise go away?


aliasvfx
Yes, I believe so.
evo2gtr
my 10 comes with the lower retainer clips and it still makes click noises. tomorrow I will be going to the dealer for upper retainer clips installation so let's see if that will solve the issue.
aliasvfx
QUOTE (evo2gtr @ Jun 25 2009, 01:11 AM) *
my 10 comes with the lower retainer clips and it still makes click noises. tomorrow I will be going to the dealer for upper retainer clips installation so let's see if that will solve the issue.


Please keep us posted. Though it has helped gripforce's problem...... want to comapre to others with the same situation. What dealership are u going / and can I recommend Cerritos since Robert Miller pretty much knows whats going on with this issue.
evo2gtr
QUOTE (aliasvfx @ Jun 25 2009, 11:49 AM) *
Please keep us posted. Though it has helped gripforce's problem...... want to comapre to others with the same situation. What dealership are u going / and can I recommend Cerritos since Robert Miller pretty much knows whats going on with this issue.



cerritos is kinda far from me.. plus I believed I have the same engineer from tenn who is working on my car as well....
gripforce-gtr
Sorry for leaving everyone out of the loop I've been extremely
busy at work.
Since the fix I've put about 200mi. and I haven't heard a single
clicking noise so I believe that the noise was from the missing
clip. It's funny how Nissan claims the missing clip is normal but
how come the factory manual has a part number for it??? May
be it's too embarrassing for Nissan to acknowledge their
incompetence???
Regardless of their claim, I must believe this is a defective from
the factory and Nissan should step up to resolve the issue.

I wanted show everyone what has been fixed but I wasn't able to
do so until I recently dropped off the car at the SP Engineering for
some engine mods. Eugene at SPE was kind enough to take some
picture of the caliper. The picture of the caliper clearly shows the
recently installed clip on the upper rod.

I suggest everyone who is having a similar problem get a hold of
your GTR tech and show them the picture. I'm sure you will
have a better chance to have your dealer to write up a service
under warranty. Good luck!!!
evo2gtr
ok guys........
got my car back this morning with the upper retaining springs/clips installed....
the new_cussing.gif "click click" noises came back after 44 miles........
the reason that Nissan has the part # for the upper clip/spring is because it's exactly the same part as the lower retaining clip ...
Any suggestions on what I should do next.... doh.gif

QUOTE (gripforce-gtr @ Jun 25 2009, 10:56 PM) *
Sorry for leaving everyone out of the loop I've been extremely
busy at work.
Since the fix I've put about 200mi. and I haven't heard a single
clicking noise so I believe that the noise was from the missing
clip. It's funny how Nissan claims the missing clip is normal but
how come the factory manual has a part number for it??? May
be it's too embarrassing for Nissan to acknowledge their
incompetence???
Regardless of their claim, I must believe this is a defective from
the factory and Nissan should step up to resolve the issue.

I wanted show everyone what has been fixed but I wasn't able to
do so until I recently dropped off the car at the SP Engineering for
some engine mods. Eugene at SPE was kind enough to take some
picture of the caliper. The picture of the caliper clearly shows the
recently installed clip on the upper rod.

I suggest everyone who is having a similar problem get a hold of
your GTR tech and show them the picture. I'm sure you will
have a better chance to have your dealer to write up a service
under warranty. Good luck!!!
Tboy911
To fix the click while turning tighten the tie rod bolt on the knuckle. 1 on each side. Mine felt tight but turned another quarter turn. It fixed the clicking.



To fix the sound that sounds like loose change in your wheel . You need to get an additional retaining clip for the pin that holds the brake pad in.

Yes nissan should have had it on the car .
dahong
has anybody heard of a clicking noise when slowly moving, specially when the first gear changing to the second, nothing happend after the third gear. also have it when the car stop at gear P and N, but nothing after put on D. when start the car rpm at 2000 nothing coming,and it will showed the noise when the rpm lower to 1000.

click click click...



could it be pads, d shafts, propeller shaft,or grit in tyres..

car still drives superb, i checked the car on ramps and could not find anything worng ...
GT3240x2
I didnt read the whole thread but here it goes, dont know if anyone has the same.

Its the ticking noise you guys are talking about, but not when turning left/right. It ticks only on rough roads. Not that noticeable too..

Might this be the same problem? Its on the left drivers side.
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