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gotboost
The white Hennessey GT-R that was in you-tube videos and then was sold on E-bay to a young man in Washington State ended up at Cobb/Surgeline Tuning in Portland today for some much needed mods. Has running problems and I'll post a few pics and see what you guys think.

Intake boot trippled up:


Stainless steel intake....note MAF cutout doh.gif


Sheet metal screws holding MAF in intake tube doh.gif

Bent up MAF tabs, Fubarr'd sealing gasket

2dcurb
interesting
celsius
Dang, so the rumors are true! They do half-assed ish new_cussing.gif doh.gif

I can't believe they didn't even use a MAF flange and tapped straight into the intake pipe doh.gif ....talk about CHEAP!!

I feel for the owner....luckily he's in VERY good hands now with Dustin wrenching!! cheers.gif

Gotboost, should've told Tim to do a before and after dyno
Kenny
QUOTE (celsius @ Feb 15 2010, 10:30 PM) *
Dang, so the rumors are true! They do half-assed ish doh.gif



Whoa... perhaps the guy who was working on that did in fact have to much Hennessy lmfao.gif
celsius
Hey Gotboost, you can sell him your intakes....he's going to need them!!
Nitrouz
thought the car was sold to Larry ellison?
celsius
QUOTE (Nitrouz @ Feb 15 2010, 11:00 PM) *
thought the car was sold to Larry ellison?



I think Larry Ellison just bought one of Hennessey's "kits", but I think the car that is @ Cobb/Surgeline was Hennessey's personal car.
Adrey@SpecializedPerf
just one word ... SCARY..
Kris@GTRBlog
Lucky the owner was smart enough to realise he needed to take it somewhere genuine before it just died.

As for Hennessey, I guess all the talk he did on the forums about how the past is the past and it's all behind him now is revealed right here for what it's worth.
Astro
oh SH!T...what a Dodgy bastard...hey, if no one is willing state the truth I will.
MO199rus
QUOTE (Kenny @ Feb 16 2010, 10:32 AM) *
Whoa... perhaps the guy who was working on that did in fact have to much Hennessy lmfao.gif


+1, doh.gif helpsmilie.gif
STI2EVO2GTR
Said it from day one and got a ban on 6speed for asking him to see pictures of the turbos when they claimed this car had them and a dyno sheet showing whatever power they claimed. Hennessey BLOWS
Guru
I shudder to think what other things may have been done under the hood. I hope he got a good deal on the car
thesimones
It's called adapt, overcome and innovate! Just don't want them do any of that to my car.
NickTO
Wow, I hope we get more pictures of the teardown and this guy gets exposed.

This guy couldn't even resell the HKS 570 kit properly!
MindlessOath
Now you know why I have such a hate for this rip off. and this is only a small portion of his tricks.
JO | SWITZER
Just sayin' ...



vs.

NickTO
QUOTE (JO | SWITZER @ Feb 16 2010, 11:48 AM) *
Just sayin' ...


But do you use something better than their patented triple layer silicone hose reducer? lmfao.gif
JoeCaMotto
QUOTE (Guru @ Feb 16 2010, 06:35 AM) *
I shudder to think what other things may have been done under the hood. I hope he got a good deal on the car

+1
JO | SWITZER
QUOTE (Kenny @ Feb 16 2010, 01:32 AM) *
Whoa... perhaps the guy who was working on that did in fact have to much Hennessy lmfao.gif


I just read that! AWESOME!! lmfao.gif
bgee55
thought that tech and shop in the pic looked familiar...car is in good hands now cheers.gif
gtrchillboy
I remember the first time I read about henessy about 10 years ago in r&t or c&d and I was amazed at their hennessy viper. I thought they were awesome tuners till recently when I nagtroc. This gtr is crap and it makes me wonder if that viper in the article was all bs.
gotboost
QUOTE (Guru @ Feb 16 2010, 04:35 AM) *
I shudder to think what other things may have been done under the hood. I hope he got a good deal on the car



He paid 90K doh.gif
gotboost
QUOTE (JO | SWITZER @ Feb 16 2010, 08:48 AM) *
Just sayin' ...



vs.



Or Vs. this
Swirlone
I am very disappointed in the level of inexperience and lack of attention to detail. I mean you advertise these "upgrades" for how much??? and put them in publications like the dupont registry??!!! WTF over!
MindlessOath
This could be a pre production mockup that he wanted to sell cause it worked. i dunno.
regardless hen has had much worse issues since he started. 10 years ago and now he is known as the biggest advertiser in all the big mags, but in the actuall forums he is known as the rip off king and he doesnt stop with just what you have seen above. he is a major rippoff artist in everything he does. he tries to make his rip offs more legal now, tho very unethical if you ask me.

90k, guy got ripped off big time. I thought people do research before paying such a large price?
ipeefreely
QUOTE (MindlessOath @ Feb 16 2010, 10:25 AM) *
90k, guy got ripped off big time. I thought people do research before paying such a large price?


let's just be glad he knew where he to take it after he bought the car cheers.gif
dave@hennessey
First let me introduce myself. I am the General Manager of Hennessey. While John has commented on his past on this forum I will leave that alone but I will address this vehicle as it was brought to my attention today. I have shipped over 350 cars since I have been here in the last two years and you will find no unresolved issues.

This GTR was one of the very first GTR's into the country. We bought the car, paid a premium for it so we could get it to the media right away. No parts or pieces existed for this car at the time. This car was purely a prototype, built in three days from the day we acquired it to be tested by the media. It was featured in many magazines, performed perfectly and if I recall was 0-60 in 2.8s and 10.8 in the 1/4. Then we did some stuff with it for Texas mile where it also performed great and still holds the record I think. While our production cars are totally different as you can see by the custom flanges and hoses. We have modified over 40 GTR's to date with our production pieces and we also sell our kits to many other shops.

As far as this customer, I spoke to him a few months ago and told him we would happily address any issues he was having for no charge. He has had the car for about 9 months I believe and was delivered running great. He mentioned to me it started running funny and that is when i told him we would take care of it. Also this customer bought this car off of ebay knowing the history of the car and knowing it was a prototype car.

But why anyone without the facts would choose to bash us I find alarming. My phone number is not hard to find. I feel it would be better served to call and get the facts instead of trying to slam another company. It is very unprofessional to try to bash another company just so you look better. If anyone has any questions my number is 979-885-1300.

Either way those are the facts and do with them as you wish.





gotboost
QUOTE (dave@hennessey @ Feb 16 2010, 11:25 AM) *
But why a shop without the facts would choose to bash us I find alarming. My phone number is not hard to find. I feel it would be better served to call and get the facts instead of trying to slam another company. It is very unprofessional to try to bash another company just so you look better. If anyone has any questions my number is 979-885-1300.

Either way those are the facts and do with them as you wish.


Cobb/Surgeline had nothing to do with these pictures by the way. They were taken by my camera and I do not work for Cobb BTW, so don't blame them, blame me. I'm just friends with them and was shocked to see this. And even a prototype intake should have properly machined MAF housings as these are the most important sensors in the whole car IMHO. All I did was post some pictures, and said nothing derogatory. I just let people see for themselves and make their own conclusions. If you don't want to be flamed, then don't put out kits or modded cars with parts or mods like example, even if it is a prototype.
Jason@BoulderNissan
QUOTE (dave@hennessey @ Feb 16 2010, 01:25 PM) *
First let me introduce myself. I am the General Manager of Hennessey. While John has commented on his past on this forum I will leave that alone but I will address this vehicle as it was brought to my attention today. I have shipped over 350 cars since I have been here in the last two years and you will find no unresolved issues.

This GTR was one of the very first GTR's into the country. We bought the car, paid a premium for it so we could get it to the media right away. No parts or pieces existed for this car at the time. This car was purely a prototype, built in three days from the day we acquired it to be tested by the media. It was featured in many magazines, performed perfectly and if I recall was 0-60 in 2.8s and 10.8 in the 1/4. Then we did some stuff with it for Texas mile where it also performed great and still holds the record I think. While our production cars are totally different as you can see by the custom flanges and hoses. We have modified over 40 GTR's to date with our production pieces and we also sell our kits to many other shops.

As far as this customer, I spoke to him a few months ago and told him we would happily address any issues he was having for no charge. He has had the car for about 9 months I believe and was delivered running great. He mentioned to me it started running funny and that is when i told him we would take care of it. Also this customer bought this car off of ebay knowing the history of the car and knowing it was a prototype car.

But why anyone without the facts would choose to bash us I find alarming. My phone number is not hard to find. I feel it would be better served to call and get the facts instead of trying to slam another company. It is very unprofessional to try to bash another company just so you look better. If anyone has any questions my number is 979-885-1300.

Either way those are the facts and do with them as you wish.








Hi Dave,
I am not here to bash but am just wondering why you guys would let the car go to market with your prototype pieces on the car. This car has Hennessey advertising all over it. I would think at the least you would ready the car for sale with all the finished and completed pieces installed? I know other companies that have shop cars for R and D but I have never seen them leave their unfinished parts on a shop car to retail to the "public". I understand the R and D and your timeline constraints but I don't understand why you wouldn't "finish" the car with the updated parts before selling it.
JO | SWITZER
QUOTE (JO | SWITZER @ Feb 16 2010, 11:48 AM) *
Just sayin' ...



vs.





Is that the final production part, or more R&D?
Kickhard
QUOTE (Jason@BoulderNissan @ Feb 16 2010, 01:50 PM) *
Hi Dave,
I am not here to bash but am just wondering why you guys would let the car go to market with your prototype pieces on the car. This car has Hennessey advertising all over it. I would think at the least you would ready the car for sale with all the finished and completed pieces installed? I know other companies that have shop cars for R and D but I have never seen them leave their unfinished parts on a shop car to retail to the "public". I understand the R and D and your timeline constraints but I don't understand why you wouldn't "finish" the car with the updated parts before selling it.



Yep +1 I was just going to post this. And since you said you would resolve these issues why didnt the customer take you up on it?
NiCkGtR35
Listen everyone over at Hennessey. You got caught with your pants down. deal with it, sometimes you do good work sometimes you do shitty work, this is a perfect example.

Also i remember clearly when i was in Georgia picking up my GTR you guys were begging the shop to help you with that car. Cause of all the problems you were having with injectors, tuning, and you were running his turbos. Your all full of shit.

Good post GOTBOOST. Awesome find

JO/Switzer PM i need to make my GT2 the fastest car in my neighborhood once again. lol
STI2EVO2GTR
QUOTE (JO | SWITZER @ Feb 16 2010, 03:21 PM) *


Is that the final production part, or more R&D?

lmfao.gif yourock.gif rofl2.gif
JO | SWITZER
Still no answer, on whether that's a final part?
robm
http://forzacentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17015

Check this out!!!
Sharif@Forged
QUOTE (JO | SWITZER @ Feb 16 2010, 03:21 PM) *


Is that the final production part, or more R&D?

OK, that was kinda funny. smile.gif
R35_395
The guy should file a dispute with ebay and get out of the deal.
I would like to see the original ebay ad to see if they described the car as a mocked up test mule that's not running properly.

It's a shame that he will need to spend more money to make it right.
MindlessOath
QUOTE (R35_395 @ Feb 16 2010, 05:32 PM) *
The guy should file a dispute with ebay and get out of the deal.
I would like to see the original ebay ad to see if they described the car as a mocked up test mule that's not running properly.

It's a shame that he will need to spend more money to make it right.

my guess is he found out how terrible hen really is and thought it a bad idea to have them try and fix it for free.

There are more stories like nick's that everyone is not aware of aswell.
i personally love how he labels other parts as there own. or dont give credit to those parts they are using. i also love how press is more importaint thatn actual R&D, perfect example is the Hen800 kit that they didnt know how to tune properly and clutchs slipped all over and they just added clutchs to the list a few days after it was mentioned. they didnt even try and see if that would fix it, and u can see where nick's comments show the tuning issues these guys had. im sure no one got credit for helping (if they did).

bottom line is hen cant do anything themselfs and use others R&D (they relabled the GT570 kit and sold as there own and then later made an exact replica of the GT570 kit to sell as there own, no need to do any research).

There are even more stories out there.








This is a good quote, long and even longer in the thread from this link: http://forzacentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17015

QUOTE
Some months after I’d given up on the car altogether, I got a call from Jason Heffner. I’d heard of Heffner’s cars and Bill spoke highly of him but I didn’t know too much about him other than that. Jason told me Bill had talked to him about my Viper and he wondered if I would be willing to send the car out to him to work with. He didn’t talk about money, he just said maybe he could help with the car. I sent it to him (plug for Gary Almond here--Thanks Gary!) and assured Jason that he could have it as long as he wanted it since I’d had it for five years already without it running for more than a few hours.

Again, without going into the details of what he found under the hood, Jason worked and worked and worked. He called and updated me consistently every step of the way. In the end there was a lot of work that had to be done, parts to be replaced and/or modified (the second turbo was also blown) to make it all work but the day came when he called and told me the car was finished. He felt bad that it wasn’t perfect but he said it ran “pretty well” and that he’d done everything he could do. A week later, Gary Almond delivered it to me and I can honestly say it didn’t look like the car I’d sent him. Not only had he fixed the engine and turbo system and installed all braided SS lines instead of the rubber ones it had came back to me with but he’d added an AEM EMS, installed Penske suspension (one of the many things I never received from [******] despite the legal settlement) and had the whole car wet sanded because he felt the paint “just wasn’t quite right.” When I asked him what I owed him he just asked if I’d feel comfortable covering his cost for the AEM and the Penskes. He would not take money for anything else and insisted that he just wanted to help out.

That was six months ago now. The Viper runs like I imagined it would when I sent it to John [******] five years ago. To say I think Jason Heffner is an honorable man who went way beyond the call of duty to help out a guy he didn’t even know is an understatement. Hell, he went way beyond what anyone else even offered to do for me for substantial additional money. And his work--including that on a turbo system he can’t vouch for--is exceptional. Needless to say I have nothing but the highest praise for Jason Heffner.

I realize that if I had hung out on the forums instead of just trusting the car mags before my adventures with John [******] that I probably wouldn’t have the experiences I did. But hindsight is 20/20 and I’m not complaining. What I can’t let get swept under the rug, however, is the recognition and credit for the way Bill and Jason have fought in my corner, not because they had to or were paid to, but because that is just the way they are. I said in the beginning there were many players in this story; many who turned out to be self serving, deceptive, or even downright nasty, those who turned out to be genuinely interested and helpful, and a few who were extraordinary in giving their support and giving of their time and effort with no hope for reward or compensation other than my friendship.

In any event, that’s the rest of the story. I felt it was necessary for me to finally clear the air about what really happened and to give credit to those who worked to make things right for me--especially to Bill and Jason. I’m very grateful.

Taig Stewart


This is why Henn does all the advertising, because the people who see it are clueless and he profits off of it. While the real venders dont get credit for pioneering what they have done cause they were the ones researched and developed and Henn went in and stole the show.







Here is dragtimes: http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan--GT-R-Drag-Racing.html
there are stock turbo R35's beating his 800hp car. and all the upgraded turbos are much better at a much lower cost and they take into consideration the drive line.




what really worries me is the Hennessey Venom GT. the press he will get with that will let him do whatever he wants. if its somewhat successful i hope he retires and leaves everyone's cars alone. Hopefully those who bought them wont suffer.
Swirlone
and still no answer from the man that says hes on the up and up..... WOW... doh.gif banghead.gif
Astro
+1

When I do any form prototyping or 3d modelling for various proto parts or mock ups, I would NEVER EVER EVER sell or even contemplate putting to market the raw material, parts or mock-ups unless it was to a specialized collector who wanted the original example...and even then it would be under very controlled circumstances. And this actually NEVER does occure in any event.

I am not here to flame you either, but I feel from what I know of your company, what I have seen, that in all regards hennesy is a company I would and do not want anything to do with and this example is just one of perhaps many many examples of why. You lack the professional foresight by this event and even if you state that you would back this up, you should never have in the first place sold a car that has been practically thrashed, has no warranty, and has been modded with par and or substandard parts taken off teh back of a truck.

You may take this as you will.



QUOTE (Jason@BoulderNissan @ Feb 17 2010, 04:50 AM) *
Hi Dave,
I am not here to bash but am just wondering why you guys would let the car go to market with your prototype pieces on the car. This car has Hennessey advertising all over it. I would think at the least you would ready the car for sale with all the finished and completed pieces installed? I know other companies that have shop cars for R and D but I have never seen them leave their unfinished parts on a shop car to retail to the "public". I understand the R and D and your timeline constraints but I don't understand why you wouldn't "finish" the car with the updated parts before selling it.
Astro
Looking at this from an ID perspective it looks extremely rough and unfinalized...perhaps the 2nd stage in the process. If its a final, I would think almost any backyard hack could easily accomplish this.


QUOTE (JO | SWITZER @ Feb 17 2010, 07:54 AM) *
Still no answer, on whether that's a final part?
paparazzi
Hennessy guy, I think you've really missed the entire point of this thread.

I don't care whether it was the first gtr in the world and you need to media in XX days. The fact that Hennessy would sell a car in that state, even if a buyer was advised of whatever mods/conditions etc. speaks volumes! end of story if you ask me. dave @ Hennessy I hear what you say but it just doesn't fly!

Did you have to sell it in a hurry? I doubt it. How much time and money would it have cost you guys to go over the car before you put it up for sale. Very little of both!

Further, I don't think anyone is obligated to call you. This is a forum, on which you've now publicly admitted that it was Hennessy's work. By allowing this car to leave Hennessy's shop regardless of the circumstances Hennessy has placed themselves in the postion they are now in.

I'm sorry but gotboost was perfectly within his rights to post the pics and leave it to people to form their own opinions.
ESCUE Polo
so not 1 of those 40 Hennessey modified GTRs are on Nagtroc? hmmmmm
MindlessOath
nvrmind
Astro
I feel for you Bro... lmfao.gif I feel for you!


QUOTE (MindlessOath @ Feb 17 2010, 10:45 AM) *
nvrmind
GZire
QUOTE (dave@hennessey @ Feb 16 2010, 09:25 AM) *
First let me introduce myself. I am the General Manager of Hennessey. While John has commented on his past on this forum I will leave that alone but I will address this vehicle as it was brought to my attention today. I have shipped over 350 cars since I have been here in the last two years and you will find no unresolved issues.

....................While our production cars are totally different as you can see by the custom flanges and hoses. We have modified over 40 GTR's to date with our production pieces and we also sell our kits to many other shops.

............................Also this customer bought this car off of ebay knowing the history of the car and knowing it was a prototype car.

But why anyone without the facts would choose to bash us I find alarming. My phone number is not hard to find. I feel it would be better served to call and get the facts instead of trying to slam another company. It is very unprofessional to try to bash another company just so you look better. If anyone has any questions my number is 979-885-1300.

Either way those are the facts and do with them as you wish.


OK let me first state that I hold no affiliation with any company and am not comparing your work to anyone else's. I am purely a consumer.

I want to state this fact............we are talking about an intake pipe and a tripled up hose. For $90 grand don't you think you guys could have or should have replaced those (relatively cheap) pieces? I would hope that you would take more pride in your workmanship and provide more quality control.
Astro
................................................................................
..........................................................................This is all I can hear from the Hennesy chap, nothing! Lol.
Kris@GTRBlog
QUOTE (paparazzi @ Feb 17 2010, 12:15 PM) *
Hennessy guy, I think you've really missed the entire point of this thread.

I don't care whether it was the first gtr in the world and you need to media in XX days. The fact that Hennessy would sell a car in that state, even if a buyer was advised of whatever mods/conditions etc. speaks volumes! end of story if you ask me. dave @ Hennessy I hear what you say but it just doesn't fly!

Did you have to sell it in a hurry? I doubt it. How much time and money would it have cost you guys to go over the car before you put it up for sale. Very little of both!

Further, I don't think anyone is obligated to call you. This is a forum, on which you've now publicly admitted that it was Hennessy's work. By allowing this car to leave Hennessy's shop regardless of the circumstances Hennessy has placed themselves in the postion they are now in.

I'm sorry but gotboost was perfectly within his rights to post the pics and leave it to people to form their own opinions.


I think this is spot on. The car is a product of the Hennessey corp and should have been put right before it left the workshop. When you represent the company and say to a buyer, "listen this car has prototype parts on it" well I don't think anyone is expecting that "prototype" really means half assed.

Those parts are half assed, you had three days to make some media comittments, that is of little importance because you had many days AFTER that to put it right.
speedracer
Bottom line is you guys did a shitty job. Prototype or not your work is crappola..If you did 40 GTR's. I would like to hear from a few satisfied ones. I hope the CEO from Oracle Software Larry Ellison is a happy camper or heads will roll. Or maybe he has too much $$$$ to care.


QUOTE (dave@hennessey @ Feb 16 2010, 11:25 AM) *
First let me introduce myself. I am the General Manager of Hennessey. While John has commented on his past on this forum I will leave that alone but I will address this vehicle as it was brought to my attention today. I have shipped over 350 cars since I have been here in the last two years and you will find no unresolved issues.

This GTR was one of the very first GTR's into the country. We bought the car, paid a premium for it so we could get it to the media right away. No parts or pieces existed for this car at the time. This car was purely a prototype, built in three days from the day we acquired it to be tested by the media. It was featured in many magazines, performed perfectly and if I recall was 0-60 in 2.8s and 10.8 in the 1/4. Then we did some stuff with it for Texas mile where it also performed great and still holds the record I think. While our production cars are totally different as you can see by the custom flanges and hoses. We have modified over 40 GTR's to date with our production pieces and we also sell our kits to many other shops.

As far as this customer, I spoke to him a few months ago and told him we would happily address any issues he was having for no charge. He has had the car for about 9 months I believe and was delivered running great. He mentioned to me it started running funny and that is when i told him we would take care of it. Also this customer bought this car off of ebay knowing the history of the car and knowing it was a prototype car.

But why anyone without the facts would choose to bash us I find alarming. My phone number is not hard to find. I feel it would be better served to call and get the facts instead of trying to slam another company. It is very unprofessional to try to bash another company just so you look better. If anyone has any questions my number is 979-885-1300.

Either way those are the facts and do with them as you wish.





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